tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post1386794299195267741..comments2024-03-26T15:19:23.091-07:00Comments on false dichotomy by charles davis: Slate Columnists: Stop Getting PublishedCharles Davishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06005070529766546097noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post-54604451974872620862013-11-09T21:40:19.933-08:002013-11-09T21:40:19.933-08:00Look, I understand that what she was saying is pro...Look, I understand that what she was saying is problematic, but still I feel that men have a greater responsibility to examine our words and actions for signs of patriarchy than women do, and that it's all too typical of patriarchy for a man to attack a successful woman as a way to boost his own ego, and that "I'm just speaking the truth; if a woman gets hurt it's her own fault" is an INCREDIBLY patriarchal stance to take.Buddynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post-34161839587006222402013-11-09T16:05:54.126-08:002013-11-09T16:05:54.126-08:001. I critiqued an article. If my critique ends a c...1. I critiqued an article. If my critique ends a career, it couldn't have been that good an article.<br /><br />2. Binge drinking is the product of prohibiting young adults from openly consuming alcohol. Lowering the drinking age is an effective means of addressing it. Certainly more effective than a column on the Internet.<br /><br />3. Young women are told all the time that their drinking habits invite sexual assault, yet the author obnoxiously frames this message as some great unspoken truth. <br /><br />4. The greatest contributor to rape culture, in my view, is the suggestion alcohol consumption is the greatest contributor to sexual assault. It isn't, according to all available research, but that it's presented as common sense -- and a brave, inconvenient truth by columnists for Slate -- let's a lot of people off the hook for raising or being a part of a generation of men who don't respect women or understand the concept of consent.<br /><br />5. As a young man, I heard a lot how women who get drunk risk getting raped. I heard precious little about addressing the behavior of the rapist. And I heard next to nothing about enthusiastic consent. Charles Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06005070529766546097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post-80618329169834531782013-11-09T15:02:07.035-08:002013-11-09T15:02:07.035-08:00I have a serious problem with this article. For yo...I have a serious problem with this article. For you, a male journalist, to attack a female journalist with the hope of ending her career, and do it under the guise of feminism, is disgusting. And for what? The only actual points you seem to be making with this article are<br />1) Charles Davis has a basic understanding of feminism.<br />2) lower the drinking age.<br />Which is just, how did you even justify writing this thing in the first place? <br /><br />And besides, your characterization of her position in the original article is all wrong. She's not trying to shift the blame away from men at all. She clearly states that college age men intentionally get people drunk with the express intention of raping them. She explains that they face few to no consequences for doing so. Just because she doesn't say the words ‘rape culture’ doesn't mean she's not calling it out. But given that this fucked up situation exists, what other advice do you expect a mother to give her daughter—or for any woman to give to another woman—than to stay the fuck away from it?<br /><br />Binge drinking is not just an ‘excuse’ for rape culture, it is rape culture's most effective weapon, and your article fails to address that.Buddynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post-24855416570700012632013-10-27T13:10:47.036-07:002013-10-27T13:10:47.036-07:00That was absolutely fantastically said. Reminds m...That was absolutely fantastically said. Reminds me of Bill Cosby's "these kids need to stop wearing do-rags" prescription for fixing what ails the black underclass. Do you have a blog?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post-67041073039326696652013-10-27T13:04:44.716-07:002013-10-27T13:04:44.716-07:00Ugh. She makes some fair (although trite) observa...Ugh. She makes some fair (although trite) observations... but some real ugly whiffs: likening drinking and getting raped to drinking and crashing a snowmobile.....failure to explain why GUYS should tone down their drinking, except for one awful warning that they could "wake up and be charged with rape" like such situations are uncontrollable acts of nature.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post-18947750086023695432013-10-17T13:17:41.274-07:002013-10-17T13:17:41.274-07:00So really, she makes a good case for young men sho...So really, she makes a good case for young men should not drink, as 75% of rapists have been drinking.....In other words....noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post-32006835441914187942013-10-17T11:33:32.291-07:002013-10-17T11:33:32.291-07:00Yoffe does a poor job of linking alcohol consumpti...Yoffe does a poor job of linking alcohol consumption BY THE WOMAN to sexual assault. Abbey's article indicates that 75% of the perpetrators and 55% of the victims had been drinking alcohol. This means 45% of the women raped while at college hadn't consumed alcohol at the time of the rape.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post-86764175591828969622013-10-17T06:05:22.619-07:002013-10-17T06:05:22.619-07:00Thanks Chuck! It does seem ridiculous how far afie...Thanks Chuck! It does seem ridiculous how far afield we are in 2013 from a mature view of male-female relations. And keep living the dream for those of us who took the boring roads in life. Maybe you can get on board for Greenwald, Poitras and Scahill's new venture, past disagreements aside.LorenzoStDuBoisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post-88013555238990697602013-10-16T20:02:30.502-07:002013-10-16T20:02:30.502-07:00(that should have been a reply to LorenzoStDuBois)...(that should have been a reply to LorenzoStDuBois)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post-18042606882561063222013-10-16T19:59:44.056-07:002013-10-16T19:59:44.056-07:00It's actually a pretty good comparison because...It's actually a pretty good comparison because people do sometimes place part of the blame on non-white youths in these cases, as in "Of course what the cop did was totally wrong, but if only the kid had kept his mouth shut . . ." My take is that there's an important difference between advice that might be helpful on an individual basis, versus policy prescriptions for society as a whole. So while it might be fine to tell a non-white youth that it will be in their best interest not to talk back to the police (sad that it would be necessary, but probably sound advice), it would be absurd to approach the broader problem of police brutality against minorities with, "Let's just advise all minorities to never antagonize the police." The same goes for rape: It's one thing to advise your daughter/friend/etc. to be careful about drinking to potentially protect her - she really doesn't have a lot of options since she can only control her own behavior - but if you're giving advice about reducing rape to society at large, it's a really shitty place to start. It's not effective on a large scale and it encourages victim blaming. The questions "What can I tell my daughter to help reduce her chances of being raped?" and "What can I tell a larger audience about how we as a society can reduce the incidence of rape?" ought to have very different answers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post-60781133836406083232013-10-16T19:29:32.960-07:002013-10-16T19:29:32.960-07:00isn't her article akin to telling non-white yo...<i>isn't her article akin to telling non-white youths not to talk back to the police?</i><br /><br />Sort of, which is sort of the problem for me.<br /><br />Let's look your example: telling people of color not to talk back to cops. Wouldn't that be incredibly patronizing? It assumes they don't already know more about dealing with the cops than the middle-class white lady writing for Slate. And it implies talking back to cops is a significant factor in police harassment of black and Latino youth, for which there is no evidence.<br /><br />It's the same thing with her column on sexual assault: she's lecturing college-age women on the risks of drinking in college, something they have already heard a million times -- and very unhelpfully suggesting that said drinking is the leading cause of sexual assault, not just the leading excuse.<br /><br />In my experience, I've heard a lot more people go down the route of rape-apology -- <i>"gosh, what did she think would happen?"</i> -- than I have heard people say that the presence of unanimously enthusiastic consent should be a given. So that's my other problem with the piece: it supposes there's this universal condemnation of Bro (i.e., Rape) Culture that doesn't exist. More columns on Bro Culture!Charles Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06005070529766546097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post-29019941280886560272013-10-16T19:00:52.983-07:002013-10-16T19:00:52.983-07:00Hmm... I'm male, so grain of salt if you like,...Hmm... I'm male, so grain of salt if you like, but isn't her article akin to telling non-white youths not to talk back to the police? Is it really that much of a problem? I mean, what would you tell your 16 yo daughter, cousin, etc.? That Bros are assholes and leave it at that? <br /><br />Does the comparison fail because society correctly places the blame on racist cops in that case, whereas here the CW doesn't focus enough on Bro Culture?LorenzoStDuBoisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post-10907290951005828082013-10-16T14:29:23.398-07:002013-10-16T14:29:23.398-07:00I blame the educational system.I blame the educational system.Charles Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06005070529766546097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post-8936603967651091392013-10-16T14:22:28.944-07:002013-10-16T14:22:28.944-07:00You got a lot of exotic spellings of "Yoffe.&...You got a lot of exotic spellings of "Yoffe."Lucy Staghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10641717100004267043noreply@blogger.com