tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post6287408189227317973..comments2024-03-26T15:19:23.091-07:00Comments on false dichotomy by charles davis: Dueling occupationsCharles Davishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06005070529766546097noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post-30089882348670078802011-11-28T04:18:45.012-08:002011-11-28T04:18:45.012-08:00Hmmm. Fascinating.
Shades of the "never t...Hmmm. Fascinating. <br /><br />Shades of the "never trust anyone over 30" mantra of the '60s. Plus ça change and all that. Or am I being too elitist?<br /><br />I believe enough in this movement that I lost a job over it. I think that's called putting your money where your mouth is. But then I'm probably just a sad old white chick who doesn't get it. Because I'm at Freedom Plaza.Lisa Simeonehttp://october2011.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post-60340567590522741882011-11-27T17:00:57.603-08:002011-11-27T17:00:57.603-08:00Interesting - the age and race prejudice and gener...Interesting - the age and race prejudice and general nastiness shown here. Also interesting is the general level of negativity By Mr. Davis directed at both occupations (see the previous post) almost as if he is intentionally seeding dissension between the two groups. Well, I'm one of "the old white people" and I imagine I've seen more street action starting back in the sixties after 3 years in the Army, than the whole lot of you blogging and spewing out your immature nastiness. As far as geriatric and the assisted living cracks, you can stick that shit where it doesn't shine.Tarak Kauffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07424464623353664624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post-73338003006608007772011-11-08T21:30:01.013-08:002011-11-08T21:30:01.013-08:00Look, I don't mean to demonize old white peopl...Look, I don't mean to demonize old white people (I will be one in time), and I've met a lot of awesome old school activists who are open to discussion. But do you really not think there's a correlation between being a straight, white male and having a false sense of entitlement with respect to your opinion?<br /><br />OWS also has progressive stack, to keep that privileged mentality in check. I don't want to exclude anyone from process and I love for people to have their own pet projects within the movement, but just don't hijack other people's time and energy with your agenda.Daniel Wolffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03407946864480183129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post-39444132349034461592011-11-08T18:48:16.856-08:002011-11-08T18:48:16.856-08:00Before the Freedom Plaza, DC occupation got starte...Before the Freedom Plaza, DC occupation got started on Oct. 6, my posse and I checked out their Web site and we noticed that the whole thing stank out loud of Bush II-era Pwogs and other outfits (Code Pink, After Downing Street) who accomplished absolute zero during the '00s, but were determined to push on with the same old tactics with which they achieved jack shit. Hell, I'm surprised that the Freedom Plaza geezers are glad that Code Pink have split the scene; seems to me that Code Pink fits right in over there as they're yet one more Pwog outfit that hasn't accomplished anything in the near-decade since they first launched, and yet still cling to the same old ineffectual tactics and Nonviolence™ dogma. I don't recall Code Pink outwardly, explicitly supporting the war in Afghanistan, but I do recall that Medea "Media" Benjamin, on her "fact-finding" tour of Afghanistan a few years ago, totally fell for the crusty old womens' rights canard used by cynical politicians to rationalize US brutality in Afghanistan.<br /><br />The Posse and I covered the kickoff at Freedom Square for our respective blogs, and it looks like we totally nailed the Freedom Plaza scene from the get-go -- tepid energy levels, hidebound dogma, old Liberal condescension and all. Turns out that generally, in terms of age, politics and attitude, the McPherson Square scene is The Clash, while Freedom Plaza is more like Peter, Paul & Mary -- and while I'm rapidly closing in on 55, I gotta tell ya, I've always been more of a Clash kind of guy.mike flugennockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11794510018915607552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post-60578304381727804692011-11-08T11:25:06.371-08:002011-11-08T11:25:06.371-08:00Oh God.
Enough about old white people.
Jesus fuc...Oh God.<br /><br />Enough about old white people.<br /><br />Jesus fucking Christ. If only evil and virtue were so neatly distributed.<br /><br />Americans are religious about everything. They fight over what the best operating system and smart phone are like their lives depend on it. Of course their politics are sectarian. If it seems like young people are less so, it's only because they haven't chosen a doctrine yet. <br /><br />OWSs horizontalism tempers that tendency by structural means so young and old can work together. Hooray!!!Oh Tarziehttp://ohtarzie.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post-48826564131031383242011-11-08T11:00:14.141-08:002011-11-08T11:00:14.141-08:00I don't think "supporting the US invasion...I don't think "supporting the US invasion of Afghanistan" is entirely accurate, but regardless, that's but one person from an organization that is explicitly calling for an end to the war: http://www.codepinkalert.org/article.php?list=type&type=400<br /><br />Besides, the point was that some of the activists at Freedom Plaza seem proud of embracing sectarianism and glad to be dwindling in numbers, which I don't see as all too helpful when it comes to ending the empire.Charles Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06005070529766546097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post-45582521925291412562011-11-08T10:54:16.507-08:002011-11-08T10:54:16.507-08:00Honestly I've sort of noticed a similar divide...Honestly I've sort of noticed a similar divide at OWS. Certainly not true of all the older people there, but there's certain type of older white male that keeps emerging who has his issue, is going to say it regardless of the larger conversation happening and gets extremely frustrated when everyone else isn't immediately on board. <br /><br />I was talking to some presidential candidate who's platform was simply to put all laws to a public majority vote. And after agreeing with him that there is a major democracy deficit in the country where wildly unpopular laws are being passed, I tried to explain tyranny of the majority and how, just as a basic ethical principle, if I want to do something that affects another person, they should have to consent to it, blah blah blah. And he got frustrated and literally said, "I'm old I don't have time to talk about these things."Daniel Wolffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03407946864480183129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9339045.post-51526597680984900332011-11-08T10:49:48.103-08:002011-11-08T10:49:48.103-08:00Well... there is that problem of Code Pink support...Well... there is that problem of Code Pink supporting the US invasion of Afghanistan "to help women." Maybe Jodie Moore got what she wanted from that stance -- her Warholian 15 minutes -- but it's still a sticky point. If they supported that action, what exactly do they claim is their similarity to the 99% and difference from the 1%?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com